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Seattle Press Online Now Has Interactive Forums

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John Gobin Shaw	Jan 16, 2003	Stuart, Florida	Teacher
December 29, 2002. Precise, Detailed, pre 9-11-01 Warnings Derided and Ignored. I was teaching in a foreign college in 1997 in South Korea, corresponding with an engineering university in Saudi Arabia, and contacting a Dr. Hamadi at the Saudi Arabian Cultural Liaison in the Saudi Arabian embassy in Washington, DC when I first learned for sure about plans to commandeer fuel-laden aircraft and use them to launch retaliatory strikes against government buildings in the USA. At the time I could not be 100 per cent sure that my information was valid and correct, but I was sure enough of its validity that I began teaching these attack plans to my students, using chalk drawings on the board to depict the buildings with large aircraft flying into them. Predictably, all my students said that it would not ever happen, but I persisted that it would. I instructed them to write the lessons into their notebooks, and to save those notebooks. I told them they would be seeing the actual attacks being carried out in three or four years, but precisely when I did not know. I am not sure of the number, but I might have told as many as 90 to 100 students very clearly what I had reason to believe was going to happen. I also mentioned it to some of the other foreign teachers at the college, but was also denounced by them too. In 1998, some time between March and August, I told an officer from the Martin County Sheriff Department what I thought I had found out. I remember that we were sitting under the overhang in front of the Dunkin Donut shop on US 1 in Stuart. I did not give him many details, and told him in a less persistent and more indirect way than I had told others at the college, but I made it clear, and asked him to remember what I had told him. I have seen this officer a number of times since 9-11-01. So far he has not mentioned it to me. In 2000 in Jinan City, Shandong Province, Peopleís Republic of China, I began teaching my students about the upcoming attacks against America. A Chinese person told me immediately to stop talking about it. It seemed like a stern warning with a possible loss of livelihood if I continued with the subject. I quit that job, and returned to Stuart, Florida around December 18, 2000. I had also told the other teachers there; however, some of them were extremely petty and argumentative, and not to be trusted, not by me at least. Early in 2001 I called anonymously to the 911 emergency number in Stuart, Florida. This was a question and answer session with a woman on the phone. I could give you a detailed account of how the conversation went, but basically I told her clearly that I had good reason to believe that there was a guerrilla or terrorist organization in this area, and that they were planning attacks and using airplanes. I kept it short, hung up the phone when she asked me my name, and left the phone booth area immediately. It might seem strange to you. I do not know. But I was born in Stuart in 1949, and raised here. If you had any idea how brutal, terrorist, backwards, and criminally offensive these local and state regimes could be, you would know why I did not trust them enough to bring the full information to them face-to-face. Months later I told a small group of people in the First United Methodist Church on Kanner Highway exactly what was going to happen, and when. I explained about the commandeered aircraft, and the intended attacks. I also told this one woman this next quoted sentence, but only in a joking way. ìI am a member of an organization devoted to restoring the Empire State Building to its former status of being the tallest building in New York City.î I used this statement only as a rhetorical device while trying to get this information into their indifferent brains so that they might remember what I was telling them and act on it in some way. I remember vividly that I mentioned the World Trade Center, I do not know how many times, very clearly, and told them it would be destroyed by terrorist attacks within a few months. This point was stated repeatedly. No matter how I persisted over and again that it was serious, not a hoax or a lie, and no matter how much detail I gave them, they derided and ignored what I was telling them. I told them it would be in a few months, and sure enough, it was. Weeks later I walked into a place called Shepard Park in Stuart, Florida weeks before 9-11-01. It is on the South Fork of the Saint Lucie River. The phone booth at the corner of SW Ocean Boulevard and US 1, there at Shepard Park is where I made that call to 911. This time I was speaking at the top of my lungs to everyone there who could hear and listen. I gave then graphic, detailed, explicit descriptions of the attacks and said they would come in a few weeks, and in fact those attacks did come, and happened exactly as I described them. I went into detail about the airplanes going into the buildings. I described the great pillars of smoke. I described the buildings crashing down to earth. I told them about the people jumping to their deaths to the pavement below to avoid being burned to death. I described how the government would send up fighter jets, but too late to avert the catastrophe. I even described the vapor trails from the jets. People 100 feet away at a picnic table heard me clearly. When I was yelling they stopped what they were doing, turned in my direction, and listened. After I finished I asked loudly if they had heard what I said about the attacks, and the buildings coming down, etc. They nodded their heads, yes. People seated closer than that heard very clearly, and if sane and coherent, could not have mistaken what I had told them for anything other than the attacks of 9-11-01. My last pre 9-11-01 warning went out as an anonymous phone call on the night of 9-10-01 to law enforcement in Fort Pierce, Florida. See the Fort Pierce phone book. Look at the inside of the front cover. It was the number to the sheriff department I believe. I am sure it was the tenth, maybe the ninth, but could not have possibly been before the eighth, because I was not there before the eighth. This time it was a man taking the calls. He seemed to be uninterested, but I did manage to get it through to him that the attack would be ìsoon very soon.î I did not give this man any real details like I had the others. But he kept asking what I mean by soon. I told him I did not know exactly, just soon. At one point he asked this question: ìWhen, tomorrow morning.î I had also told others. In 2000 I told my brother in Davie, FL very persistently several times that I knew of coming catastrophic attacks against this country. He did not even bother to ask about any details. Total indifference. I had also told a man named Robert, no less than ten times, very clearly and assertively about the coming attacks. He did not even bother to comment. After 9-11-01 I asked him if he remembered what I had told him. He seemed to me to be oblivious. I might add too, that during my correspondence with the engineering university in Saudi Arabia, the subject of commandeering fuel laden aircraft to be used as missiles against government targets in the USA was mentioned, as was the possibility of using South Florida as a base of operations from which to launch those attacks. Taking flying lessons to achieve these objectives was mentioned too, I think, but perhaps not, but I am sure that too was mentioned.


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John Gobin Shaw	Jul 27, 2005	Florida	Teacher--TESOL
Since posting this and other articles regarding my discovering the attack plans of 9-11-01 back in 1997, several persons have responded with incredulousness and threatening vulgarity. A partial outline of my new book is on this web site: www.mondopolitico.com. Discussion, Terrorism, "9-11-01 Attack Plans..." I have decided to write a book on my experiences, laying bare a series of events that will expose the entire matter of my first discovering the plot of the attacks of September 11, 2001, and of my telling about 120 people about those attack plans in detail in the years before the attack happened, right up to the night of September 10, 2001.


Stuart Resident	Aug 15, 2005
By the way, what pure cruelty - that you would wish harm on anyone in anyway. The suffering here was, and still is, beyonds words from two direct hurricane strikes. As a street pastor I can attest to the pain that exists. You wish upon everyone that which you profess to stand against, injustice, pain and anger. Last I knew there was only one judge of mankind. Just in case you didn't know, it isn't you. Albeit I am a Christian but let me say this... have you ever heard of Karma? You have ruined your shot at any career... regardless of what name you use, IrishEddy, EddyIrish, or John Shaw and any others you may come up with. All will see you for what you are because you repeatedly demonstrate your need to bully, batter, and basically inflict pain on every living thing so you won't be alone in your own obvious delusions. How sad because you have irreparably ruined your place in this world by leaving a legacy rage. I sure wouldn't want you teaching my children, or any child, because the very fabric of your existence is saturated in hatred. You aren't the only person who has had bad things happen to them. You aren't the only person who exists on this planet. The internet may seem infinite in its ability to tell your story of fiction. But every time you write something on the internet you share it with the world. Yes even your recent appeal to Martha Stewart. By the way she isn't exactly the poster child of kindness herself, you might not want that association to ruin your pioused "only person on the planet that knows anything" image. Guess what - you are the laughing stock of the world right now. The scary part is someone may believe you and the very deep fear that you have that there is a conspiracy may well happen. When they make you disappear the only thing anyone will remember about you is your foolish rage. No one will look for you because they don't want to be the next victim of your nonsensical profane attacks. Time will erase your posts and you will evaporate from this big ball of mud. When you could have been out there making a positive difference in the negative parts of the world. Feeding a hungry child by teaching them to fish, changing a law that is unfair to the majority, by teaching the joy of reading and so many other ways. How incredibly sad you chose to waste your life and the ones whom you could have touched and saved. What were you thinking?


John Gobin Shaw	Jan 07, 2006	USA	Teacher
See what I mean? This person was not within thousands of miles of where I was when I got that information about the coming attacks of 9-11-01 and began telling people about them. Yet, he/she claims (anonymously of course) that he/she knows the facts well enough to claim I am lying about the whole thing. On top of that, this anonymous libeler claims that I use names on the internet that I do not use and have never used. I see now the good sense in having newspapers that print stories that do not allow the general public to horn in on. Any shmuck can come onto an internet forum and say someone is lying or delusional, but where are these libelers when you want to take them to court to make them put up or shut up? Nowhere to be seen, nowhere to be found. They are hiding behind anonymity. They are abusing the precious rights and privileges of freedom of speech, and escaping the consequences of doing so.